CFN interview with Randy Engel on homosexuality and the New World Order
by Randy Engel
Introduction — Have you ever wondered how the Homosexual Movement has come to be such a powerful force in American life today? How the movement appears to be able to bend government to its will? How the movement attracts millions upon millions of dollars from Corporate America? These questions, among others, have puzzled me for a long time, so I decided to ask Catholic journalist Randy Engel, author of The Rite of Sodomy (www.newengelpublishing.com) and an authority on homosexuality in the Church and in Society, from whence comes all this power and money and influence that the Homosexual Movement seems to enjoy not only in the United States but abroad as well. — jv
John Vennari — For years, I have been unable to understand how and why the Homosexual Movement in the United States wields such great power and influence? Can you enlighten me and our readers on this question?
Randy Engel — There is no doubt that the Homosexual Movement, is currently at the vanguard of organized sexual deviancy and that it has tremendous clout and resources of all kinds, far beyond what its small numbers would logically dictate.
From a historical perspective, we know that the advancement of homosexuality is part and parcel of the modern Sexual Liberation Movement, started in the late 1920s and culminating in the formation of the World League for Sex Reform in 1928. The main theme of the League was clearly eugenic race betterment through selective breeding," — but its platform also included the repeal of anti-sodomy laws and the legitimization of sodomy as an alternative form of sexual expression. In addition, the WLSR also promoted and lobbied for promoted contraception, sterilization, abortion, population control, sex instruction for the young, divorce and "open" marriages, pornography, suicide, euthanasia, artificial reproduction, and government operated and medically supervised brothels.
Pope Pius XI responded promptly with his great encyclical Casti Connubii (On Chaste Wedlock) in December 1930, thereby successfully defending the fort of Christian morality for another generation.
As for the Homosexual Movement in the United States, up until the late 1960s, it remained largely an underground leftist affair organized by such men as Marxist Henry Hay. It was a loosely organized, fringe network congregating in major port cities such as San Francisco and New York and was, in the public eye, mainly associated with avant garde occupations and sexual libertines. Its political clout, financial resources, and influence on American sexual mores were very limited.
JV — And then came Stonewall?
RE— Yes, and then came the Stonewall Inn riots of June 1969 which, we are told, became the "flash point" of the Homosexual Liberation Movement worldwide. Seemingly overnight, "gay" leaders spontaneously organized themselves into a well-oiled political machine; they staged press conferences in major cities which were covered by the world media, millions of dollars flowed into the movement's heretofore empty coffers, and leading public figures decried the injustices allegedly suffered by homosexuals. What had been traditionally viewed as a vice to be suppressed by government became a virtue and a civil right to be protected and advanced by the State.
JV — I take it you don't buy this official version of Stonewall?
RE— Not for one moment. Events of this magnitude take careful planning and coordination and a great deal of money. They do not occur by spontaneous combustion. The Homosexual Revolution, like any revolution worth its salt, started at the top, with the wealthy and powerful, and not with a group of disgruntled clientele of transvestites, homosexuals, and young male hustlers who frequented the small Greenwich Village bar and who were later joined by sympathetic residents in a violent melee with local police.
JV — Do you have any evidence to back up your claim?
RE — Yes. I have, for example, the statement of Dr. Richard Day, a former Medical Director of Planned Parenthood-World Population and a Rockefeller protégée, who, just months before Stonewall publicly stated that "homosexuals will be given permission to be homosexual."
JV - Permission from whom?
RE — From the elite of the New World System
JV — I think we need to back up for a moment. Can you explain the date and context of Day's statement?
RE — Dr. Day gave his historic speech describing the "New World System" to the Pittsburgh Pediatric Society on March 20, 1969. Titled, "Family Planning: Infant Mortality, Gene Frequency, Abortion and Other Considerations," Day's speech described in broad strokes, the New World System which he said was already in place and functioning. In his lengthy discussion of population control, he stated that in the future there would be "sex without reproduction" (aka contraception, sterilization, abortion) and "reproduction without sex" (in vitro fertilization, artificial insemination). Day's comment on homosexuality followed on the heels of his prediction that "Abortion will no longer be a crime," — that it would be accepted as normal and be paid for by taxes for those who could not pay for their own abortions. This was four years before Roe vs. Wade.
JV — Can you cite another example?
RE — On March 11, 1969, just nine days before Day made his statement on homosexuals being given permission to act out, Frederick S. Jaffe, Vice President of Planned Parenthood-World Population sent a memorandum titled "Activities Relevant to the Study of Population Policy for the U.S." to Bernard Berelson, President of John D. Rockefeller III's Population Council. Listed under the section on "Social Constraints" is "Encourage increased homosexuality."
It is a matter of public record, of course, that the Rockefeller family and its many "charitable" fronts like the aforementioned Population Council and Planned Parenthood have been promoting all kinds of sexual deviancy for decades including sodomy. The reader may recall that it was the philanthropoids of the Rockefeller Foundation that initially funded the pro-homosexual and pro-pedophile research of sexual deviant, Alfred C. Kinsey, at the University of Indiana from 1941 to 1949 to the tune of $ 414,000.
JV — So what you are saying is that the source of the Homosexual Movement's power and influence was not generated from within the movement itself, but from without — from the powerful foundations and other entities that rule from behind the scenes?
RE — Exactly.
When discussing these powerful U.S.-based philanthropic foundations, technically referred to as "privately organized public institutions" there are a few things one must keep in mind.
First, there is nothing "charitable" about these groups. They were, from the beginning, created by Andrew Carnegie and John D. Rockefeller to be agents of social change and control, and they have used their funds effectively to support a wide range of anti-life and anti-family initiatives including "Gay Liberation."
With their great prestige and virtually unlimited and unrestricted financial resources, these foundations can go where others fear to tread and pave the way for public acceptance of all forms of sexual deviancy, until the time is ripe for the NWO elite to take over and the particular deviancy in question is institutionalized as official public policy, and the financial burden shifted to the shoulders of the American taxpayer. They did it with eugenics. They did it with birth control including abortion. And now they are doing it with homosexuality.
JV — Didn't a group of billionaire insiders meet secretly late this spring to discuss increasing their philanthropic output?
RE — You're probably referring to the May 5, 2009 meeting held at Rockefeller University which was called by Warren Buffet, Bill Gates and David Rockefeller, Jr. Among those in attendance were Oprah Winfrey, Ted Turner and George Soros and other anti-life servants of the NWO. Not surprisingly, an increased commitment to population control was at the top of the list. This means that Americans had better prepare themselves for a new wave of "population bomb" propaganda, as well as an increase in "gay" and pro-abortion advocacy.
JV — What other groups besides these large foundations are supporting the Gay Liberation Movement today?
RE — One of the largest sources of support for the Homosexual Movement and Gay Agenda is Corporate America — Coke-Cola, Pepsi, Ford (Globe), General Motors, American Express, Best Buy, Lehman Brothers, Fannie Mae, Mellon Financial, Shell, Dell, Avon, Estee Lauder, Coors, General Electric, General Mills, Kraft, Johnson & Johnson, Eli Lilly, Hyatt, State farm, Avis, Starbucks, Subway, Gameboy, Ikea, JC Penney, Sears, Sam's Club, Target, Wal-Mart (Pride), Weight Watchers, IBM, Intell, AT&T, and on and on.
I suspect, although I cannot prove, that virtually all major U.S. business corporations have an agreement with the NWO elite that requires them to "donate" a portion of their profits to advance the various pet "charities" of the New World Order. Pro-life groups are not on the list.
The Federal government, of course, has done its part to advance the Homosexual agenda. Among the Federal Agencies and programs that have supported the Homosexual Movement are the Center for Disease Control, CETA (Comprehensive Employment and Training Act), the National Institutes of Health, Legal Services Corporation, National Park Service, National Public Radio (funded by the Corporation for Public Broadcasting), to name but a few. The Internal Revenue Service has awarded the 501 (c) (3) tax deductible status to homosexual organizations that "foster an understanding and tolerance of homosexuals."
When you add the power of the liberal mass media that has always backed the Homosexual Movement, you're looking at one powerful propaganda machine.
JV — Did the AIDS crisis hinder or help the Homosexual Movement?
RE — In terms of finances, government-sponsored AIDS programs proved to be the goose that laid the golden egg, and millions of dollars of "health" funds has made their way into homosexual political/activist organizations. AIDS has the added "benefit" of helping to reduce the "surplus population," in keeping with the New World Order's relentless campaign against the proliferation of people. Unfortunately, the useful idiots that dominate the "gay" leadership have yet to figure that out, or if they have, they are silent so as not to lose their salaries, or possibly their lives.
JV — How about financial aid and support from churches?
RE — That question would require a book to answer, but yes, almost all liberal mainline churches, synagogues, and religious orders contribute financially and in other ways to promote and sustain the Homosexual Movement. That would include the American Catholic Church especially the bishops' bureaucracy, the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops.
Finally, I would like to mention the role that Organized Crime, as a functionary of the NWO, plays in supporting the Homosexual Movement. There is a symbiotic relationship between the two since criminal syndicates own many homosexual-frequented establishments such as "gay" bars and baths. Organized Crime also supplies drugs, pornography and young male prostitutes which are staples of the homosexual anti-culture.
JV — I can understand why Organized Crime would have a vested interest in promoting and funding the Homosexual Movement. I can also understand, given the large amount of disposable income that many homosexuals have, why the movement would attract some support from Corporate America. But I don't quite understand what the elite of the New World Order has to gain by promoting homosexuality?
RE — Again, John, I'd need a book to answer that question thoroughly, but let me give you a simple response by referring back once again to Dr. Richard Day's speech on the New World System.
According to Day, the sine quo non of the New World Order is population control. While we pro-lifers generally associate population control with contraception, abortion, sterilization and the like, this is a very limited view of the meaning of the term. Day makes it very clear that for the Puppet Masters of the NWO, population control has a much broader meaning. It means total control over every aspect of human life — education, economics and finances, religion, entertainment, transportation, medicine, the arts, national defense, politics, medicine, science and technology, sports, law enforcement, agriculture and farming, and ultimately, who shall live and who shall die.
JV — So population control is, in fact, people control?
RE — Correct.
JV — Alright then, how does homosexuality fit into the NWO scheme?
RE — Well, first let me state that there have always been two natural enemies of totalitarianism of any stripe — the family and religion. The advancement of homosexuality and other forms of deviant sexual behavior, as we have seen from the current battle over "gay marriage," is designed to undermine both marriage and family, as well as the natural law and traditional morality. The goal of the NWO is to create a generation of polymorphous perverts — narcissistic, isolated and rootless individuals who, being enslaved by their own unnatural passions, will not present any serious opposition to their new slave masters.
JV — Once this goal is achieved, will rank-and-file homosexuals continue to play a special role in the NWO?
RE — No. This is highly unlikely. As Dr. Day made quite clear, the NWO prides itself on stability and loyalty to the New Order and homosexuals are notoriously unstable and unreliable. So, having served their purpose, when the time comes, rank-and-file homosexuals will be systematically eliminated as enemies of the state. Elite "gays" within the NWO will probably remain.
JV — Randy, you have painted a rather bleak scenario of life under the New World Order and the role of the Gay Liberation Movement in helping to bring it about. Do you foresee any viable opposition coming from the Catholic Church with regard to stemming the Homosexual Movement's advance and that of the NWO?
RE — As I document in my latest book, The Rite of Sodomy (www.newengelpublishing.com), thus far, the Church has been unwilling or unable to stem the tide of homosexuality both within its own ranks and in society at large. Resistance to so-called "gay marriage" and other abominations has come from individual traditional Catholics, from Evangelicals, and other concerned citizens.
As for leading an organized opposition to the NWO, as Day stated in 1969, "You think the churches will oppose us. I tell you they will help us." And he did not make any exception for the post-Conciliar Catholic Church.
JV — Recently, I read for the first time, the complete transcript of "The New Order of Barbarians," which contains the recollections of Dr. Lawrence Dunegan, a Pittsburgh pro-life pediatrician who was in attendance at Day's infamous lecture in March 1979, as well as Dr. Dunegan's interview with you on the NWO. The accuracy of his predictions chilled me to the bone. Is that transcript available to CFN readers on the internet?
RE — Yes, the U.S. Coalition for Life has just posted the official transcript of Dr. Dunegan's report on the Day talk, free of charge, on its Research Library webpage at http://uscl.info/edoc/doc.php?doc_id=89&action=inline. An audio boxed set of the text (CD or audio cassette) is also available from the USCL, Box 315, Export, PA 15632 for $24.95, postage included. I guarantee your life will never be the same after you hear "The New Order of Barbarians." Mine certainly wasn't.
JV — Are you discouraged by the fact that virtually every prediction made by Dr. Day in 1969 concerning the NWO has come to past?
RE — I would be lying if I said that the anti-Christian agenda of the NWO does not concern me. It should concern every Catholic, indeed every human being on this planet.
But I also know that God is still in charge of the world. As we read in The Imitation of Christ by Thomas à Kempis, "... For man proposes, but God disposes; neither is the way of man in his own hands."
I do not know what the future holds for us on this earth, but I firmly believe that as a member of the Church Militant, if we put our faith in Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, humanity's solitary boast, we shall not be disappointed and the final victory will be ours. Alto quien vive!!
JV — Which means?
RE — Loosely translated it means "Anyone on the battlefield who is still alive, stand up and fight!!"
NB: Excellent interviews of Randy Engel by John Vennari reprinted from 2009 and 2011, but still very relevant to the organized campaigns of the sodomites and their funders/promoters...This interview first appeared in Catholic Family News, Aug. 2009, http://www.cfnews.org/cfn.htm